Nickel Creek allows for audience recording of their concerts, but their published taping/trading policy forbids making their shows available for download. Their policy is posted here: http://www.nickelcreek.com/faq.htm I have specifically asked the band and their management if shows that they have done jointly with (etree archive friendly) Glen Phillips could be available from the archive.org audio archive and I got their permission. Here is the email trail: From: jeff.lester@trw.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:03 AM To: 'nickelcreekband@aol.com'; 'webmaster@nickelcreek.com' Subject: Trading policy w/Glen clarification Hello, I'd like to ask a couple specific questions about the trading policy and how it pertains to shows with Glen Phillips. Glen has graciously allowed us to be "Etree friendly" with regard to downloading SHN (losslessly compressed WAV) files of his shows, including allowing his shows to be available from the Etree Audio section at the Internet Archive: http://archive.org/ http://archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Glen%20Phillips This obviously conflicts with the stated Nickel Creek trading policy of not allowing shows to be available for download. So I have several questions: 1) Is it okay for archive.org to host Glen shows where Nickel Creek or members of Nickel Creek sit it on what was presented as a Glen Phillips show? The answer to this seems to me to be an obvious yes, since it's Glen's show and you are just guests, so his taping/trading policy should override. If you look at the shows that are in the archive, you can see that there a couple already there (8/18/02 Joe's Pub and 9/11/02 Largo) that fit in this category. I sure hope you don't ask to get these taken done because I alerted you to their presence. :-( 2) What would be your policy on the "Mutual Admiration Society" shows? In the fall of 2001, you guys did the "Mutual Admiration Tour" and a number of those recordings are traded about, including the Anaheim House of Blues show 10/20/01 that I recorded (and gave a copy of to Sara at the 2/5/02 Largo Glen show). This would be a different category than #1, since the shows were billed as Glen and Nickel Creek, not just Glen. Would you allow the Internet Archive to host these shows in their entirety? Would you allow the Internet Archive to host these shows, but with the removal of the "Nickel Creek" part of the set, thus allowing the Glen+NC to be posted? 3) At the aforementioned 2/5/02 Largo show, Sean and Sara played a wonderful 30 min set as opening act, then sat in with Glen for about half of his 90 min set. I would like to have the Internet Archive host the entire show, including Sean and Sara's opening set. Is that okay? -Jeff Lester Manhattan Beach, CA --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@nickelcreek.com] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:36 AM To: Lester, Jeff Subject: Re: Trading policy w/Glen clarification Hi Jeff, It's possible that you'll hear from a band member but since I wasn't sure how much email they are answering right now, I decided to forward your note to the band's manager. He would know as much about the spirit and intent of the trading policy as anyone... Thanks! Kathy the webma'am --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@nickelcreek.com] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:22 PM To: Lester, Jeff Subject: Fwd: RE: Trading policy w/Glen clarification Hi Jeff, The word back from John Peets is that everything you mentioned is ok. Thanks! Kathy the webmaster App\Http\Controllers\Api\FileDownloadController::download(): Return value must be of type string, none returned